Sunday, November 18, 2007

Email to Suntraders

Resources: Posted By Johan Miswari (DK - Dark Knight)

This email is forwarded to me by a friend in Japan. She send an email to info@suntraders and this is what happen:I saw there's contact e-mail address in suntrader's website.I clicked info@suntraders.com but when I clicked it, it changed into info@forex.com, on 7th Nov...and I've tried to send e-mail again today(12th Nov),I clicked it and it didn't change into other's e-mail address anymore...it's really wired...Anyway, the following sentences are reply for my question if this company have any relation with swisscash or swiss mutual fund:

" Thank you for your recent inquiry. In attempting to assist you, we have conducted a thorough review of our customer database and are>in a position to presently inform you there does not exist any current or archived customer account in your name with our company. Additionally, Gain Capital/Forex.com is not presently affiliated nor was it at any point in time affiliated with Sun Traders and/or SwissCash. We hope this information is helpful to you. Should you require further information, we advise you contact Sun Traders and/or Swiss Cash directly. Thank you."

Thursday, November 8, 2007

SUNTRADERS - More Discussions

This post is especially addressed to those who have unwittingly submitted their documents (copies of IDs, Investment Certs and Email Verification from SC) to Suntraders:
Why did we submit them?

Is it because we are desperate or is it because we are anxious to withdraw our monies? Is it because we follow blindly what others are doing or is it because we receive a text message from our uplines (well most of them have gone missing since Oct 07) to submit those documents?
For whatever reason, we have submitted. But before that, did we think of the consequences? Why did we give our detailed and confidential copies of Identification Papers away to a company that we have never heard of? Has Swisscash ever requested for it before? What if our documents fall into the wrong hands and was duplicted in the black market? Will we blame Suntraders and Swisscash, or do we blame our upline for telling you to do so , or we look at ourselves and say "How stupid.. I should have think before I reacted."
What is done cannot be undone. Pray hard that Suntraders will not "hack"your accounts when SC returns. As of 8th Nov 07, a total of 26600 referral numbers have been logged by Suntraders. I believe at least 90% of those who filled up the questionnaire have submitted their documental proof. Obviously, Suntraders will not be able to log in with your IDs all at the same time. In fact, they will choose all those trading IDs that listed a total investment of more then USD10,000. Remember those quesionaires? Does it ring a bell?
Come on. Do they actually need us to fill the exact amount of investments we made. How do you calculate if you have an ACF and EMF shares..... The reason is simple. They will pick and choose the accounts with the highest and most epoints when SC returns ....... to hack and steal your monies.
So, If any of your Uplines tells you to submit those very confidential and important documents to Suntraders, tell them to lead by example.
Talking about big organisation and banking facilities, UOB Singapore and DBS Bank bought over OUB and POSB respectively. Till to date, we Singaporeans were not asked to produce any identification papers to stake claims on our banking accounts. In fact we are still using the ATM cards and Bank books of the previous banks to make withdrawals. This is how integration should take place. Think about it.
As of 8th Nov 07, about 26600 have completed the questionnaire. And maybe a few more thousands will submit by 15th Nov 07. Let's just give an estimation .. say about 50,000 investors. Now, I understand that they will not entertain anymore submission after the stipulated date. My Question is: What will happen to the accounts of the rest of Swisscash Investors. 50,000 submission accepted and 450,000 investors who did not submit.. rejected!!! Does it make sense?
Let me make a closing statement. I do not have any proof to say that Suntraders is out trying to get your accounts. But before you fill up and submit your important documents, please think of the consequences. Would you like to be with the 50,000 who submitted or would you like to be with the 450,000 who is still willing to wait patiently till they receive an email or SMSs from the actual partners. It's your account, it's your choice.
p.s : For me, I prefer to wait for the emails or SMSs even it cost me a time ... How about you?

Why So hurry !!! Phase 3

Swisscashguide has just entered Phase 3.

"For the subscribers from US & Canada we would accept requests only up to 10th of November and for other countries up to 15th of November."

My Questions ARE ....


1. Why the hurry? Why must we submit our documents within a tight time frame. Why is Suntraders trying to force us to submit our documents?

2. Why do they need us to fill up a questionnaire? Shouldn't they have our Datas?

3. After we have submitted a copy of our IDs or passport, why do they need a copy of the Investment Certificate?

4. AND WHY MUST WE SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTS IN OUR REGISTERED E-MAIL ADDRESS? THE E-MAILTHAT ONLY SWISSCASH KNOWS?

Look at it this way. If I am a about to fish the datas of Swisscash Investors, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO !!!!!!

As a partner of Swisscash (as claimed), why doesn't Suntraders email to each and individual investors personnally for the verification process. At least they should have the email of all investors concern. Where is the Collecting Historical data as reported in phase 1? If they have completed phase 1, surely they have our email details.

This is my take: SUNTRADERS IS NOT GENUINE!!!

Be careful and be very careful. To those who have submitted their Identification Documents, Trading IDs and Email address.. pray hard.. that whatever that I have listed here is utterly rubbish.

Think about this Scenario: When Swisscash is back, Suntraders, cloaking as an investor, will immediately send an email to Swisscash and say that they had forgotten the password and TAP.
When asked for verification, they can produce the copy of your Identifications and Investment Certificates. Will Swisscash give you a new password and TAP? Why not. And who says that your email address can't be hijacked? It gets worsts if they manage to request for a new passwords to your other accounts too.

I remembered Pak Valentino ever said that Suntraders.com is not one of the listed SC partners websites.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Alert : Fake Website

It has come to our attention that some fake websites claimed to be a part of SwissCash or SMF. Please do not enter your login data (username, ID, password, TAP, DOB) or any personal information in these sites.

Here is the list of some of these fake websites.

Swisscashbeta.biz Swisscashbeta.com Swisscashbeta.net Swisscashbeta.org Bscash.biz Bscash.comBscash.net Bscash.org Chinaswisscash.com Swisscash-apo.com Swisscash25.net Swisscash25.com Swisscash25.bizE-swisscash.com Swisscash-eu.com Swisscash-eu.net Swisscash-eu.biz

The new website URL from our new partner would be sent only to our main financial consultants in any region shortly.

So please do not trust any weblog, website or any unauthorized person

Phase 3 - Beyond 2008

Gathered some news from other SwissCash investor... (source : www.swisscashguide.com)

What is in for 2008?

Just to update you on some of the possible great things that is coming your way…1. Our Team is studying and reviewing all your requests for your trading accounts activation and the feasibility to launch different investment products. Awesome isn't it? Well, trust this new team to produce the best investment strategy for you. No promises however as it could come sometime in the year 2008. But just do not forget that you do not have much time for applying as an old investor account holder.

For the subscribers from US & Canada we would accept requests only up to 10th of November and for other countries up to 15th of November.2. We are looking forward to improve on our Customer Service Management. As Sun Traders is a new financial tool in SUN Mutual Funds therefore the company is still looking into rooms for improvement for the public. We do not entertain direct call in from the public or unidentified source. One of the reasons is because of the services we are providing are only to our corporate Clients and old Investors. This might look unfriendly from the Investors point of view and I regret to say that this is our Company Policy. When we first started Sun Trader Financial Facility in SUN Mutual Funds we were not expecting much problems as this financial tool is so simple to understand. If you invest, you earn your profits. If you don't then that is it. Personally We are more interested to improve the efficiency of our online customer management system rather than tele-services as we are dealing with tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of investors who may come from different background or industries. We would never want to be entangled into unnecessary conversations or possible confrontations. A written solution is always better than an oral conversation.

"It is good if you are the richest among your neighbors, families, friends and colleagues. But it is even better to have richer neighbors, families, friends and colleagues.

"Hector W.Sidberg Group Partnership Representative

Phase 2 at www.swisscashguide.com

Gathered some news from other SwissCash investor below regarding Phase 2 of SwissCash's return with new partner.....

Go to http://www.swisscashguide.com/ ...and under Phase 2, click on Asia Pacific Capital and SUN Financial Systems icon, it will link to a new information site:

https://suntraders.com/qualification.aspx With regards to the above, please DO NOT answer the questionnaires or fill up the form yet. WAIT for official email instructions from new partner. To avoid your account being blocked or suspended if fill wrongly.

Regarding Login.... Wait For Official Notification By Email or SMS

Hi all...http://www.swisscashguide.com/ ....is NOT for investors to login. It's only a temporary information portal put up by the technical team for posting news updates/announcement for investors to read on the front page. It's the new partners of SwissCash who are planning everything now (Asia Pacific Capital investment Ltd. & SUN Financial Systems) as stated in the message there.

Do read the full message there on the front page for understanding. Currently, http://www.swisscashguide.com/ ...this temporary website is the only source of information as the main SwissCash was affected by the Mareva Injunction, Malaysian Court Problem and has been shutdown. Investors shall wait for email or sms, probably from the new management team to notify of the new wesbite to login.
I presume, if timeframe (15th Octobber) for US residents is not met, most probably could be delay to same timing as for those in Asia, Middle East, etc... (refer to http://www.swisscashguide.com/ ...for the dates) On another note, I just heard info from one senior investor that Swiss Mutual Fund is alive and well, but there are still legal issues that are not sorted out to facilitate the comeback of Swisscash with the new partners. This will take still more time.

Monday, November 5, 2007

The Court Case

The Malaysian Civil Court Case against Amir and Co, has finally ended. Well, that’s what we are suppose to know. Close sources said that Amir had won. All his bank accounts were unfrozen.

This info is just hear say. No one can confirm the validity of this information.
If the Malaysian case has come to an end, then there is a great chance for Swisscash to be back. Back again to serve loyal investors with what they do best, multiple our monies.

We hope that Swisscash is ready to roll out the new websites, ready to answer to any other external forces from jeopardizing their great financial platform, ready to do what they promised to do and in short ready for everything

The Long Wait…..

It has been 2 month since SC sites went down. All investors are still waiting for news. No one can blame them, they had the right to know. SC should not have kept to themselves as to when the website will be online.

Well, I have news. Do not ask me where i get the info from or ask for proof to this relevation, for I will not reply to emails reagrding this matter.

Apparently there are 6 websites waiting to be online. 3 for swisscash and another 3 for SMF. Pending clearence and legality issues that need to sort out, it is likely that the new websites will be releaseed anytime in November 07. The Company will be run by new management, dealers and financial systems.

To all investors, please be patient and soon you will be rewarded. Trust that SC will be back stronger then ever before.

"At one time you work so hard for your money, it is time for your money to work harder for you"

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